12:04:01 <nijel> #startmeeting Monthly meeting 2017-12
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12:04:34 <nijel> I think we're already in usual meeting attendance, so we probably can start right now...
12:05:20 <ibennetch> Sure, sounds fine
12:06:28 <nijel> #topic Next real life team meeting
12:06:30 <nijel> #link https://github.com/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin/wiki/Potential_conferences
12:07:37 <nijel> I guess there is nothing new on this topic - so we will skip FOSDEM as team meeting location and focus on DebConf or MOSC.my?
12:09:01 <mauriciofauth> Sounds good to me
12:09:20 <ibennetch> It's probably getting quite late to plan something for FOSDEM, especially since we're past the deadline for getting a booth.
12:09:26 <ibennetch> That sounds fine
12:10:00 <nijel> Getting booth there would be quite tricky anyway as the space is limited and amount of projects is huge...
12:10:13 <ibennetch> Oh, okay
12:11:09 <nijel> I will travel to FOSDEM anyway, I will ask for reimbursement in case Conservancy will want help with booth (not sure if they got one), otherwise I will pay expenses myself
12:12:25 <ibennetch> I think it's worth reimbursing regardless; it's cheap enough and you're keeping up with the industry even though we don't have a booth this time.
12:13:42 <nijel> Well I definitely won't be against that ;-). mauriciofauth do you agree (I certainly should not vote on this)
12:14:10 <mauriciofauth> I think it's fair
12:14:46 <mauriciofauth> I have nothing against this
12:15:00 <nijel> okay, then we can really move on...
12:15:10 <nijel> #topic Server replacement
12:15:20 <nijel> #link https://github.com/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin/wiki/Server
12:15:51 <nijel> does everybody agree on getting server at Hetzner?
12:15:57 <ibennetch> Sure, that's fine.
12:16:05 <ibennetch> I agree that seems to be the optimal choice.
12:17:13 <mauriciofauth> I agree
12:17:38 <nijel> Great, that was fast :-)
12:17:48 <nijel> #topic 4.8 roadmap
12:18:40 <nijel> We really should have roadmap to know when to freeze the code :-)
12:18:44 <nijel> Do you think that first beta in January is doable?
12:19:34 <ibennetch> 4.8-beta in January? I think that's reasonable, but I also wonder if there's anything we want to add that hasn't been implemented yet.
12:19:44 <ibennetch> Because I wouldn't mind waiting until February if there were the case
12:20:06 <ibennetch> I can't think of any
12:20:49 <mauriciofauth> January looks good to me.
12:22:01 <nijel> I also think it's good timing - we might even consider doing major releases annually in March...
12:22:13 <ibennetch> And we'll skip -alpha and jump straight to beta1, correct? I don't see a need for an alpha release here.
12:22:43 <nijel> I think beta is good enough, we might need several of them though
12:22:53 <ibennetch> Sure, sounds fine.
12:23:04 <ibennetch> I've updated https://github.com/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin/milestones
12:23:55 <nijel> great
12:24:11 <nijel> #topic Future (tentative 5.0) roadmap
12:24:39 <nijel> I think that requiring PHP 7.1 for phpMyAdmin 5.0 to be released in (March) 2019 sounds like a good plan.
12:25:52 <ibennetch> Then we'll have extended support for 4.8 and continue with 5.0 for some time.
12:26:28 <mauriciofauth> Seems like a good time to a upgrade like this.
12:26:45 <ibennetch> This all sounds good; I agree with all the little details (incrementing from 4.x to 5.0 when dropping PHP5 support, that it's a good time to move to PHP7, etc)
12:27:13 <nijel> ibennetch: yes, that's what I had in mind - we will have to extend support for 4.8 for few years to support PHP 5
12:27:43 <ibennetch> Great
12:27:44 <mauriciofauth> Several frameworks are making this transition now, so being a year late looks good to me.
12:29:37 <nijel> I wouldn't mind doing that change with 4.8, however it's a bit late in the release cycle and burden to support both 4.7 and 4.8 would be quite big due to massive changes in templates and class names.
12:30:08 <ibennetch> Right, I agree that it's better to wait until after 4.8 is released
12:31:15 <nijel> Okay, that was last point, do you have anything else to discuss?
12:31:37 <ibennetch> Nothing from me
12:32:11 <mauriciofauth> How long would the LTS period last?
12:32:33 <ibennetch> Good question
12:33:15 <ibennetch> PHP 5.6 is in official security support until December 2018, so at least that long.
12:33:37 <nijel> not sure, last time we did something similar for 4.0.10 it lasted almost four years in the end (it was extended several times due to users demand)
12:34:00 <nijel> it was *way* longer than official security support for PHP 5.2
12:35:34 <ibennetch> Because many distributions do LTS security support on their own so many users are stuck with old PHP versions
12:37:00 <nijel> i think it
12:37:09 <nijel> ..it's safe to assume it will be at least two years
12:37:20 <mauriciofauth> Ok
12:37:57 <ibennetch> For instance, Debian Jessie will offically be supported until 2020, so we'll have some users on officially supported PHP5 until then at least
12:38:33 <ibennetch> 4.0 really lasted a very long time.
12:39:32 <nijel> any other topic? :-)
12:39:42 <mauriciofauth> I think it will be a *long* term support
12:39:52 <mauriciofauth> Nothing from me
12:40:10 <nijel> great, thanks everybody for attending and see you next time
12:41:14 <mauriciofauth> Thank you
12:41:42 <nijel> #endmeeting